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That's right. I am your host, Ryan. and story. Welcome to the PBL Simplified for Teachers podcast where we talk all things PBL and we're here to educate, engage, we want to inspire you. Today you've got a special guest. Uh we've got Southside Elementary fifth grade team with us. They're rock stars and they're going to share their PBL experience. So we've got what we call a PBL showcase. Before we dive into that, I want you to get some PBL resources. So go to whatisp.com. If you go to whatisp.com, we'll give you a free set of resources to get you started on your PBL journey. And you're going to need those to get started. But what you also need almost more than resources is inspiration and almost permission to know that this is the right path to go, which is why we have PBL showcases just like this. So, we've got Southside Elementary. It's a fifth grade team. We've got some rock stars. They're from Kentucky. And well, I'm going to let them introduce themselves. Ladies, thanks for being with us. Would you give us a quick intro, please?
Yeah. Hi, I'm Andrea Molinax. I am a fifth grade teacher here. I teach ma uh math to all of our fifth grade students and this is my 10th year of teaching.
I'm Frank Toiver and this is my fourth year at Southside but my ninth year in the classroom and I teach reading to our fifth graders.
Hi, I'm Megan Drenin and I teach social studies and I've been a teacher for 12 years now.
And I'm Hannah Harvey. I teach writing at Southside and this is my 10th year teaching.
Awesome. So glad to have you on. Uh again, When I say rockstar, I mean it like you guys have been doing a fantastic job. Uh we already see uh the culture growing in your school and I think you were rocking it before. So it's one of our favorite partnerships is you're rocking it before. We just get to come alongside and like inject like some some nitr fluid and you just start crushing it. Um but you can't get away with this. The first question for every guest I ever have on the podcast is what is your why for the work you do? And I think you guys actually have kind of a collective fifth grade why which I love. Can you let the audience know about that.
We do. Um, all of us got into education because we feel like it's a calling and I feel like the people in this job, it's a heart job. You do it because your heart has been called to be here. So, we are always inspiring our students to be a light for the world. And yes, we have really important things to teach them. We have social studies and math and reading and writing, but more than that, we want to charge them to be a light to the world. And we want them to take that into all the amazing places they go. And we feel lucky to do that as fifth grade teachers because this is the book end of their elementary career. They go from here and go into middle school and we know that our grade level especially has the, you know, they have we have that unique situation where we can really make this year memorable for them. We can make it magical and we can hopefully teach them of course lots of amazing things, lots of amazing projects, but teach them to take that light into the world when they leave us.
So good. So good. And now the audience instantly knows why you're on the podcast. Like that's it, right? That's our people, right? Is because it's not a gig. It's not just, hey, I needed a job, right? It's a calling, right?
And I'm so excited to share your story. So, I want to make sure we get into it. Before we do, can you give the audience just a little bit of background about kind of your school and grade level, like when you started PBL, so they've got an idea of kind of where you're coming from?
Absolutely. We of course at Southside, our school last summer decided to dive into this and our principal Jamie Reynolds kind of pitched it to us. Hey, this is what I'm thinking. And all of the teachers were like, "Yeah, let's do it." And all of us, I mean, in some form or fashion, we've had experience with PBL small on a smaller scale, but we've never done it globally before. So, we were all excited, a little nervous to do it globally because we know that the on the smaller scale in the classroom, it's it's so much different than when you roll it out globally across your entire school. But, it's been such a unique process to see because we are doing projects, but so is kindergarten and second grade. And and somehow we're all intertwined together in this new process. So, we've been doing it for about a year. Well, probably half a year now, but it's our school is K through five. It's a rather large school. We have about what is it like 600 students. So, we have a lot of students and with the PBL roll out, we also rolled out um houses. So, we have from Ron Clark Academy, we have adopted the house system. So, we rolled out two really big experiences this year at Southside. And I mean, I don't know about you guys, I think and they've been amazing. Like they have been
amazing on every level.
And if you're if you're just listening, if you're not watching on YouTube, uh there's a lot of smiling and nodding. It's like, yes, this you took you took PBL, you combine it with Ron Clark. So, a lot of culture building, right? And like kids owning their learning makes a ton of sense. Uh but I I also want to point out for our listeners like you guys haven't been doing this forever, right? Like it hasn't been a decade doing this.
Literally very obviously encouraged, you're enthusiastic, and again, great student outcomes coming out of this. And just to point out,
like you guys seem to have a really fun time teaching, right? I think something that's so special about Southside is that every one of us teachers, and there are so many there's at least four per grade level, was so excited to try this and jump in head first. And everyone, the buyin for the teachers was so successful that there was no way that energy wasn't going to carry over into the kids. And it is electric. in this building.
Um, attendance is up, performance is up, everyone is seeing the fruit of this labor six months in already.
Absolutely.
Yeah. And you guys started with design days, right? So, you did some intentional planning, leadership team and your principal, and you went to go visit, right? You went to go visit another elementary school that was doing PBL. Can you talk about that a little bit? Now, that's off script. It's not one of our questions, but can you talk about that visit and how that helped you kind of see the vision?
Yeah, I got to go to this school and it's just like 25 minutes down the road in Lexington. And it was so nice to see it done. I mean, everyone can talk you through how to do it, but and do a great job of that, but seeing another classroom carrying it out, and it doesn't look any different than what you're doing in your classroom, there was just a little bit more uh forethought to it and and some planning on your end. But the instruction itself was pretty much the same, except the kids were so invested and everyone was engaged and the energy in those buildings was also electric. And came back just fueled, ready to jump in. And we did I went in March of last year and I think we had a group go even earlier. So really, we've had this on the books for a while and seeing that in a school a school so similar to ours was really beneficial to see that it is something that might look scary or intimidating but can be carried out easily.
I think that's super helpful. I often recommend that as kind of a first step if people aren't sure what to do like go visit a school and just see some things because you can feel it, right? And that that's Let's get into into your work. Like why don't you tell us about one of your favorite PBLs and you can kind of go wherever you'd like, but we'd love to hear about like the driving question, you know, if you had a community partner, end product, some of those geeky PBL stuff, but just tell us a little bit about that.
Well, kind of started off with the idea um we with the visit to Ronark Academy and really with our team like all four of us had this vision of what fifth graders should be able to do, the responsibilities that we wanted to put on them and we kept coming back to leadership skills. That was something that we kept reiterating. That's not something that we directly explicitly teach. Obviously, it's not a standard. I wish we wish it was, but it's not a standard. It's just something we want our kids to have. And especially as leaders of the school and even talking with the other teachers that our veteran teachers that have been here for longer periods of time during that PBL kickoff, we heard some of our co-workers, you know, our in third grade, Tom Sheldon said, "Our our fifth graders used to do this. They used to do this. They used to come help with this. They used to do buddies and and a lot of that has been lost in time and we all looked at each other and we were like we want and we our team is so cohesive. We all were like we want that. We want our fifth graders to be that. We want them to be leaders and pillars in our school and we wanted that especially with the roll out of the houses. And so in brainstorming on how we could teach them to do that this kind of our PBL blossomed and took place and the kindergarteners were doing something called Stallion Academy. and they were introducing how to be at Southside. That was their PBL unit. And we got to since it was a kickoff, we were all together. So, we got to hear their ideas. And from that, we kind of got the idea of, well, what if we piggyback off of this and we do the flip of this. So, they are learning how to be at Southside. They are learning how to do school. They're learning how to walk in a line and cut with scissors. They're learning how to be kind. What if we on the other side of the spectrum are teaching our kids how to lead? them through that. What if we are teaching them how to be responsible, how to be respectful, how to be safe? And we ended up pairing up with kindergarten classrooms. And we took it a little further. So our students, we wanted them to go through a leadership academy. And our culminating event, our end product was we wanted our fifth graders to host a sorting ceremony. Our kindergarteners were the last ones to be sorted into our houses and our fifth graders were charged with planning the entire night and planning the entire kickoff for the kindergarteners to be sorted into their houses. So, it's a really exciting project and there's a lot of steps involved. So, I'm sure you guys can chime in to some of our favorite parts of it.
They were so invested. Our fifth graders, like you would think that by fifth grade they're cool to do this stuff and they don't want to do it. They were so invested from the get-go and they still are. Like, we still have those founding relationships with those kindergarteners that we still visit with them often and practice these same things, but knowing like, hey, we have a group of kids who don't know how to do this yet. It also created a sense of responsibility for the fifth graders because you can't go teach kindergarteners how to do something that you don't know how to do.
So, how do you act in the hallway? How do you act in the cafeteria? How do you behave on the playground? So, it really helped them own their actions because they knew they were role models now. Like, there was no assumption that, yeah, they're probably watching. No, they are watching you and they love you and they want to be just like you. So, you have got to carry that over and they that has shown so much success for these kids. They've done so well
and it took away I mean yes we have to teach expectations religiously at the beginning of the year but all PBL did was give it more of a purpose like now these expectations not because we want you to rise up you will rise up we will support you until you rise up but you have a reason why you have to rise up you have to set the example for these kids and then the houses were amazing I'll be honest we really didn't need any like anything to fuel the houses because they were so exciting and like so life-changing for all of us. But that was even further like, okay, now you're in the House of Rever, but it's more than just you're in House of Revert. You are one of the leaders for this house. You are planning this magical moment for this 5-year-old. And if and it had this sense of pressure of if you're not responsible and you're not helpful and you're not part of this process, then you we let them down and it turned into this every fifth grader. I mean, we didn't have kids that were sitting back doing nothing. They were all involved.
Everybody was involved. They were and so excited. Go.
Oh, yeah. So excited. So, I love how we each had our own like connection to it with our different subject areas too. So, like in writing, we started with just a writing piece about what it means to be a leader and we did research behind like strong leaders in the world and
like what are the characteristics that those leaders have and we each had our own connection in our different subject area.
Well, and in math um uh we were responsible for collecting all the snacks for this um this kindergarten night. And so I was able to have real real world connections with my students, you know, well, if we have this many students, then this how many snacks we need. Um, and then we were able to tie in, well, our budget and talk about, you know, you go to the grocery store, you have a budget in mind, and then that was really fun to see those kids being engaged in that way and them realizing, hey, you know, I could use this in the future,
these skills. So,
absolutely.
I mean, the night was amazing. Like, it was I Uh, I have a six-year-old. She's in kindergarten. So, she, as a mom, I got to see it it happen in real life with Yeah. with both sides. Like my my daughter Dawson and my niece Sophie, they got to be sorted into houses. So, I got to look, you know, from the audience and see, here's all the decorations that we put together, that the kids made. Here's all of the amazing things that we, you know, we were a little frantic at the end. We're like, oh my gosh, is it going to come together? But it did, and it was amazing to see it from both sides of that. That's so good because I think you nailed the I think the power of PBL, right? Is that is the vehicle for all the components that we want to bring to our classroom,
right? Like a worksheet on responsibility just doesn't get it done, right? Like it needs to be in context of why do I need to learn responsibly,
right?
It never stopped for us because once we started that expectation, we just kept rolling with it and it has bloomed into we did what we called the stallion shake and The students have been hired into jobs now throughout the building in a million different roles. We have people who help with the fine arts team. We have people who have tutoring needs or the recycling team, which was a PBL for our second grade team. We tied into that. And it has blossomed so far that the energy this year is just so special. And I like am grieving that we'll never get a first year of it again. Like this has been so magical to see through their eyes and it has le led them into so many wonderful um responsibilities that they are proud of and I think it has and we are everything we do we're like well we can go right back to our leaders because these fifth graders have shown us that they can be trusted to handle a responsibility like that
super good and we also love sharing stories just because if you don't experience it sometimes it's hard to believe right like all of connected like all of were engaged
actually yes right it's like yes they were like I get that it's hard to believe but it happens. So, where where do you think the secret sauce is for you guys? Like when you look at PBL and you look at houses, you know, you've been teaching fifth, it's not your first year in fifth grade, right? So, you've done this before and I'm assuming that not every fifth grader has been engaged. So, what portion of this kind of gets them to lean in and really want to be a part of this?
I just think it's because it's fun. Like, and it's there's every aspect in it. Like, every subject is involved. So, like every kid has like their interest to to shine in that area, whatever their interest is. like they all have their own connection in different ways and and a lot of it too like it is it's fun and it's exciting and there there is no room for too cool for school because how could you not want to be a part of this? It is just contagious and I do think like
I mean I personally think I have the best team in the whole world. Like we all like we're all really close and like our energy and excitement like I mean I'm sure you can kind of see it like we it's always like this like we
buy in fully and the houses. That's one thing that it requires. You have to buy them with your entire heart. And children, kids of all ages, they are so good at knowing who is really in it and who is not. They can see that. They have that knowing. They have that sense. And our kids, I mean, they saw we were in. We were in with our whole heart. We jumped in. We have sequin sparkly jackets. We have tut shoes for our houses. We are all in on these projects. And
And the kids do the kids are too. I mean,
face paint days, like they go all out in and these projects, these PBL projects are they're just as equally exciting. And when you're char
was such a huge task. When you look and they're face to face with a kindergartener at least once a week and they see this is what I'm doing it for. When they have that sense of purpose, all of them were in fully just like we were.
And something extra special, Miss Dren's daughter and both in kindergarten. We have several siblings. So the fifth graders with their siblings in kindergarten, it was special to see them if they were in the same. We all buddied up with a home room. And so that that was special. But then on the house sorting night, they didn't know if their was going to be in their house or not. And some were, some weren't. The dynamics were all different, but it was so contagious starting from the top down that the kids were just roped in immediately because we were so enthralled with it. Yes,
that's super exciting. And so, I don't know if this is too geeky, but it's kind of this rabbit trail I've been on personally researching is like in psychology, the the terminology is called attunement. And the attunement is right where the kids they can feel that you're bought in, right? They can feel this is a real thing that like this is going to be special when it's done
and they can literally just feel it like humans can feel that from another person that attunement it's real deal.
So can we put um you don't have to put a name to this story necessarily but do you have a learner story where PBL is you've kind of seen one of your kids re-engage uh in school and again you can feel free to change the name or however you want to do that but or not use the name at all but can you kind of walk us through maybe a learner that you have that said I wasn't in but yeah I'll do this.
Um, so we have several students um that have not been in a public school system before.
Um, and we really honed in on them because I I mean I can only imagine coming into a public school with 600 kids
when I'm used to being maybe at home being homeschooled or at a smaller school setting and it's a lot different, right? So them seeing their buy in and seeing them engaged into it I think was a was a big turning point for us too when we saw how con they were making connections and they were feel like they were being they have a sense of belonging at our school now um with PBL and with our house system. I think that was just a beautiful thing we've seen. Um but also coming in right back from the summer
um it just that was another beautiful thing about our PBL unit that we honestly didn't pre-plan it just fell into place and how um it just got these kids re-engaged into learning right up for from the very day one since we started this unit with our kids.
Yep.
So, it set the bar high for the year. It set the tone. It really did.
Yep.
And it provided unique opportunities for them like our PBL like one student in particular that comes to my mind, he was new. He moved in from a very far away state, you know, and he knew nobody. And part of our PBL when we had our house sorting ceremony was we of course had to speak to the audience. and tell them what their house what the houses were because when I look at you and say oh house of Amastad is a bindi revert altruismo we all know that well but you might be thinking is she speaking in another language like I am but we needed to update our kindergarten families on what does it mean what does it mean to be house of isabendi and we of course as the adults could have done that but we thought it would be better to charge our fifth graders with that so we had you know four fifth graders we're so proud of all of them they stood up in front of that audience and kindergarten parents show up. They they show up. I mean, pops were there. Auntie Uncle was there when we did it. Like it was packed and they stood up and did not blink an eye. And this one student in particular,
he finished and he was in the house of Amastad and he looked at us and he said, "Now I really feel like I belong. I really do belong in the house of friendship." Because it just so naturally lent to giving him a leadership role and then bringing him into to that house of Amy like he felt it and he had that community and without without this PBL of course he would have felt those feelings we all four would have made sure he felt those feelings but that moment was when he did when we launched that PBL and had our end product in that event that's when he felt it
but I think there is difference there you noted kind of the difference between like maybe when you were teaching traditionally versus PBL and I think we've all felt the same thing as we go over to PBL but because PBL has these moments that are built in like there's this public display of the work or the public presentation. They all kind of lead towards this moment, right? And I I just remember when I was teaching traditionally, it was like the end of the unit was the end of the unit and then I started a new one. It was like, oh great, here we go. You know, versus like, hey, here's this big pinnacle of a thing that just happened. Like we just filled the gym and you all just talked to them just like adults do. Like you guys are crushing it, right? Man, I wonder what we're going to do next. And everybody's like, "Yeah, I wonder what we're going to do next. Right. Right.
Right. That's so good. So, I mean, first of all, this this question I've got this question. It's like I feel like I already know the answer, but what the question is when you look out at education, like where are you optimistic? And when I look at my Zoom screen right now, like I'm optimistic because you guys are crushing it and filled with energy, right? But I I want us to because there's so many moving parts in education, right? Like sometimes policy changes things, sometimes district changes things, right? Sometimes the economy changes things. And I always say like we just have to in the sandbox that we've been given. So I want us to look out optimistically. So when you look out at the world of education, where are you optimistic
from my personal and I know again the team mindset is pretty much the same. Like we feel so it's so important to target not only the academics but the social needs like we are seeing our fifth graders and all of our students as a whole person. And I'm optimistic that that is the mind the mindset shift almost like it's not just about a test. It's not just about um a performance on an exam and PBL kind of like takes away some of that pressure because it naturally builds in we want to be teaching those social emotional needs. We want to be teaching those leadership qualities that when they graduate from high school they are um ready for career or college wherever their future takes them. But it's when you say it separately it feels like that's just another thing to teach. But when you step back and think well I'm already teaching this curriculum. How can I weave the two together? Then you can turn your projects into a starting point for hitting all of your areas at once. And at first it seems like a lot mentally, but when you take a breath and you're like, "Okay, I'm already teaching the content. How can I bridge the two together?" It opens up such a world with meaningful work for the kids that is going to help them all throughout life. Like I know that these kids have learned such good leadership skills. Like I can't wait to see what they do in the future because we have focused on the whole child and all of their needs. And I think that is a great shift in our mindsets as educators everywhere.
Absolutely.
Well, and also I've seen, you know,
I could see where some of those career paths are going to take with some of these students coming out of this PBL like, oh, you are definitely going to be working with kids in the future. I could definitely see you being a therapist just from, you know, our stallion shake, seeing these kids kind of find their groove in the world.
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and it created more respect just all the things They respect the people in this building so much more because now they work hand in hand with the librarian, with the custodian, with the office staff, with all of their teachers, and they know like we are work, everyone in this building is working hard for their success. And I think the mind shift of
I've got to teach these standards to how can I make them whole people a better person by the end of the year is what's gotten us this far.
Absolutely.
Super good. All right. So, if we have some teachers listening who are on the fence about jumping into PBL, which happens sometimes. People come for research, right? What would you tell them if they're on the fence about going into PBL?
So, I think we could all agree that we would say do it.
Yes.
So, at first, I remember having the conversation like over the summer when we'd all met as a team and we found out what we were doing and what we're heading into and we were all a little bit nervous like how are we going to teach our standards and keep up with this and I don't think we realized like how how much the standards would connect to the project already. It's been really easy and the students have had a strong voice and a of what we do as well and I think they can come up with connections sometimes better than we can
but absolutely do it and just like the growth that you're going to see in the students is worth it in itself like I mean maybe a little bit extra work but the kids do so much of the work like I mean I feel like they did way more than we did so yeah definitely do it
and I think even I know the workload is scary because I've been there like another thing like okay I got to take this on too but
if you it's not a curriculum to teach it is a way of doing your CL or running your classroom and just um knowing that okay I am going to follow this with the mindset of working everything together
builds that to where it's not so scary like and what you spend teaching maybe you plan a little more in the forefront but by the work that the students have engagement in your classroom management requires a little less mental load like they are engaged they do want to be there so you're not necessarily like are you on task are you on task get your work done because they want to do it So that is another thing like and I spent a couple not a couple several years in special education and so seeing our students shine even if they have a disability in some area like they were successful through these PBLs and it didn't matter what their disability was and it you didn't have to be so um scared of managing all 25 kids doing all 25 different things like they were so invested that they managed themselves and that is not as scary as it seemed on the front
and when you're looking at the workload and you think the thoughts that all of us thought how are we going to do this just knowing that you when you get to that moment when it all comes together because it always does it always all comes together but when you see that moment and you know with your whole heart that you are creating core memories for not just yourself but your kids they will never forget that like what we did this year I will never forget it none of us will ever forget it but our kids will never forget that and that is something that really powered us too is knowing that we had a small part of this major moment of their life. And and like Hannah said, like they drove the they drove the car. They did it themselves, but it was so amazing to be a cheerleader beside of them and facilitate this and then just see something so incredible take place in front of our eyes.
Yeah.
All right. So, I I've got a sneaking feeling that that your fifth graders are going to find this podcast somehow. Like got them so engaged and empowered like they're gonna they're gonna find it. So,
what kind of what kind of advice would you give them as they're listening.
Well, first of all, if they are listening, we love them and they know that. But secondly, like what what we would charge them with and what I would tell them is that it doesn't have to end here. You know, at Southside, their time is ending. It's ticking. They know it. We are forbidden to say the words middle school because they don't want it to be over and we don't want it to be over for them. We love them with our whole hearts. But it doesn't have to stop. Like just because they leave us and just because they're walking into a new environment. They can take all of this, everything they've learned, every bit of it, and apply it to their life. And all of them have amazing skill sets. And we, all we've done is improve that and heighten it. But they can take what we've done and what this PBL journey has been to all of us and what their house is to them. And just because they go to sixth grade doesn't mean they don't have to look someone in the eyes when they're talking. They know how to make eye contact. Now, just because they're in sixth grade doesn't mean that they don't have a vital role in that building. They do, and they'll find it. Just Because they're in sixth grade doesn't mean they're not house of rever. They can be rever forever. But that what we've done this year. It is a chapter in their book, but we hope that it's forever inside of them because it's there.
There you go, fifth graders. Your teachers love you. They expect great things from you. Go do great.
So good. Well, we're going to wrap here in a second. I've got one more question for you, but as as our listeners are are tuning in and uh I I want to invite them to your school, right? So, if you guys are at anywhere near Lexington, Kentucky, like we'd love to have you come visit. And when we do a visit, uh it it's you don't just walk through and just see classes, right? You get to talk to the learners, you get to talk to teachers, you get to talk to the principal. So, you can go and experience PBL. You can go be a part of it and just feel what you're hearing right now. Like just the excitement, the enthusiasm. So, if you are on the fence, if they haven't convinced you yet to just jump in, which I thought I have really good answers for that, by the way, like go and see it. Like, go see and make sure it's real. as it is and it's amazing. So, ladies got one last question for you. You can each chime in if you'd like. I want you to imagine that you're in front of a room full of teachers who are pouring their hearts and souls into their work every day. They truly desire the best outcomes and opportunities for their learners. What parting advice do you have for them to help them on their PBL journey?
Um, I think that, you know, like we said earlier, the the whole idea of PBL was very overwhelming at first. We were kind of nervous about it, but the beauty of it is that you don't have to plan it all on the front.
And what's what what really beautiful from what we did is we had no idea it was going to turn into this stallion shape. It was going to lead into all these other opportunities for our kids. So just start small and it will naturally blossom
is the big takeaway I would have for them.
And I would say my recommendation would be to reach out to someone who is currently teaching BBL because the the excitement and enthusiasm is so contagious like any any fear you may have after talking to someone who is doing it can be put to at ease based on just knowing you have a connection like hey I have questions like we do it as a building but we also have connections within the PBL world that we're like bouncing ideas off of and it kind of takes that mental load off of because we all have great ideas and we all have great starting points and we're all great teachers who want to do best for kids and sometimes it's just nice to have a sounding board of a veteran not that we're we're great veterans but we are very excited you know, we would love to help, but finding a partner who you can bounce ideas off of and share your thoughts with would be super helpful.
My advice would be a lot of us, I mean, and we're really engaging teachers and we're always expecting our kids to be we we have very high expectations, but so much of what we discussed in the kickoff was we are settling for them to be good and PBL was the next step for them to be great. And I think as an educator, sometimes it's easy to say, "Oh, but they're so good. They do so good at this. They're good at this. They are, but they could be great." And the step to greatness is is daunting at first. But if you can be brave enough to make the step to greatness and push your kids using PBL, using these strategies, then the greatness that they can achieve is amazing to watch.
My advice would probably be to let the students shine and let them have a voice because you'll be amazed at what they come up with and what they can do on their So good. What a great PBL showcase. You all, just so you know. Thanks for being on the podcast today. I really appreciate it.
Thank you so much.
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